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I remember when people listened to comedy monologues on vinyl, rather than on YouTube. My students probably wouldn't believe it. They giggle when I tell them I own cassette tapes. In my students' world, a vinyl album might as well be a horseless carriage.

Back in the Late Cretaceous Period, my parents owned a Bill Cosby stand-up comedy album that had a long ramble about kindergarten. There's a total mismatch between what he remembers being asked to learn and what he remembers being able to think about: "One and one make two. That's great. What's a two?" Is it really possible I was laughing along to that monologue while I was actually in kindergarten?

Just this week, Gareth has demonstrated that he knows what a two is, and that he has both the word and concept for "other," as in the other of two. Numbers beyond two seem to elude him so far, but that's perfectly peachy. We're really surprised about the two. For a fifteen-month-old, he's got plenty of ability to communicate number sense.

Because Gareth's ahead on language development, I figured he couldn't possibly be behind, or at least not behind enough to worry about, not with anything that mattered. So he never crawled. So what? Some kids don't, right? Some kids go straight to walking. They're all different. I used to say, "I figure he'll learn to crawl sometime before he goes to college." He could walk, he could run, he could stomp more or less in time to music. Surely that should be good enough.

Apparently crawling matters a whole lot, though no one knows why. Apparently 75% of kids with dyslexia never crawled as babies. Is there a causal link? Can getting a non-crawler to crawl prevent him from developing dyslexia? Nobody knows for sure, not yet. Nonetheless, my excellent sister, whose reading disability is like dyslexia only weirder and rarer, declared that Gareth was not allowed to develop a reading disability, because she knew from experience that having a reading disability sucks. Fortunately, my sister also has two close friends who are pediatric physical therapists, so we were able to pick their brains.

The first thing they asked: Are there carpets in the house, or hardwood floors? Because babies hate crawling on hardwood floors. (Who knew?)

The upshot of all the brain-picking: Get that kid into the state early intervention program!

So Dan and I bought a carpet the next day, and within three days Gareth had learned how to get himself into a standing position from a seated one--something he'd been refusing even to try, though he was many months past when kids usually learn to do that. And we called the state hotline.

By the time the assessment team could meet with us, Gareth was good enough at getting up from the floor on his own that we no longer qualified for state services, but the non-crawling thing still dismayed the assessors. They were surprised and initially skeptical about our claim that Gareth could identify and name three colors, though he proved us right before the ladies sat down to write their report. He was far enough ahead in language development that their test could not measure him in it, but far enough behind in gross motor skills to have an 11% developmental delay.

I had no idea a person could be considered developmentally delayed in just one area or just a few areas. All these years, when I heard my friends who had kids with developmental delays discussing their struggles to get their kids help, I thought I knew what they were talking about. Nope. When they told me about the things their kids had trouble doing, I just assumed the kids had the same amount of trouble doing everything else, too. I hope my attempts at sympathy and support made up for my cluelessness. I hope I wasn't a jerk.

Date: 2009-02-07 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bicrim.livejournal.com
I have heard that many gifted kids will "forget" to learn physical skills because they are so focused on the mental ones. I'm sure Gareth will catch up in no time.

Date: 2009-02-07 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puckmls.livejournal.com
Hmm ... that makes sense in my case. I was mentally gifted but physically behind. The solution was classical ballet -- it taught me how to tell my body what to do, when, and how. :-)

Date: 2009-02-09 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
I took ballet lessons as a kid, too, though I wouldn't go so far as to say I learned any ballet. It was a nice theory. For me, the first thing that really got my brain and body coordinated at all was Tai Chi. That's one of the things that's fallen by the wayside since Gareth started getting mobile. I miss it terribly.

Date: 2009-02-07 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasminewind.livejournal.com
Whether you notice a delay or variation in your kid's development when he is 15 months old or when he is in 3rd grade, eventually you realize that he's really good at X while being not so good at Y. I am personally very VERY annoyed that people consider early reading THE sign of intelligence in young children. My daughter is a crappy ass reader. She could conceptualize multiplication when she was 4 but at 7 she is still a crappy ass reader (actually, she is approaching grade level mastery, which thrills her and I to no end).

Check out the concept of multiple intelligences, it might help you understand how people develop mastery of one brain function while having trouble with another.

And there is no way you could have been a jerk, your manners are too good. You may have been ill-informed and unaware, but you weren't a jerk about it, I guarantee it.

Date: 2009-02-07 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vgnwtch.livejournal.com
Yeah, what she said.

Date: 2009-02-09 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
Being a crappy reader is not the end of the world. Pru's not-quite-dyslexia was so severe, she was barely functional as a reader until she was in college. Which is to say, she was so good at faking her way through school, and had such keen aural recall, that nobody could tell she could barely read until she was a college sophomore. Having trouble in that one function forced her to develop stellar skills in other areas. Nobody can beat her in a cross-examination, because she doesn't need notes to remember exactly what all the witnesses said and exactly how they said it.

Date: 2009-02-07 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigira.livejournal.com
yup, it can certainly be one thing. F is ahead of the curve in everything (including receptive language) except for expressive language. He's about a year behind on that.

For F, this means that he finds other ways of getting through to everyone and is excellent at nonverbal communication (someone who is good a picking up nonverbal communication doesn't even notice he doesn't talk a whole lot). EI didn't help. He needed a speech therapist, but they insisted he needed the general help. Being a "social genius" means that even though he's not as verbal as the kids in his class, he seems to be well-liked.

He's improved greatly in the last few months. He tries to talk, now. Still, he has difficulty finishing words and with a number of letters. It's looking more and more like it's just a speech therapy issue, he just needs a lot of it.

Then I feel even better when I hear that about a third of his class is there for speech delays.

Oh, ok. It can't be that a third of high school students have language problems. Whew.

Date: 2009-02-09 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
I'm so glad F is doing well. Since my little guy was born, I haven't been able to keep up with my flist, so last time I had a coherent sense of how things were going for you guys, you were Very Concerned about his language development.

As someone who was all words and no social clue through most of my early schooling, I can only say F may have the better deal.

Date: 2009-02-07 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sligoe.livejournal.com
You know, each child develops at his or her own rate. Some things go faster than others, some slower. Every single one of my kids had their own particular strength and weakness, and we had to wait patiently for them to grow a bit more to decide if they needed extra help, or just needed extra time to catch up. My older son had no interest in talking much beyond the usual, "please", "thank you", and "may I have" type sentences---until he was three years old and I did something to piss himn off. He looked me dead in the eye and said, "Mom, you're despicable!" He knew what he meant, he meant what he said, and we've had trouble turning him off ever since! (He just turned 30, has a Master's degree in Marine Studies and is working as a museum curator for the Coast Guard in DC.)

Don't worry. When Gareth reaches school age, his teachers will do all sorts of assessments to see where he is, and they will tell you all about it. At that point, you can decide to listen or not, depending on your own observations, your own biases, and if you believe the teachers are acting in the best interests of your child. Our pediatrician told me that unless there is a GROSS maladjustment in the usual skills, most kids will grow into themselves by the time they hit kindergarden. I think it's wise advice---let your child be who he is and keep an eye on him. Don't expect a child to be a small adult---they really aren't. He will develop at his own pace, in his own time, and unless there is really a problem, you won't have to do anything to help him along.

For the record---only one of my kids ever crawled, and that was because she had to wear tarso shoes to correct a hip defect, and walking was harder to master while wearing shoes with 1/4 inch plywood on the soles. And not one of my kids has/had learning disabilities.

Date: 2009-02-09 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
I've been trying to cultivate an all-kids-are-different, to-everything-there-is-a-season approach to parenting. Every time I think I know which things to chill about and which things to worry about, another study comes out. Studies have shown, studies have shown. Sometimes I just want to lock all the child development researchers into one really big room and refuse to let them out until they can agree about, oh, everything.

Date: 2009-02-09 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sligoe.livejournal.com
Sweetie---for every "study" there is, there is another one that refutes it. Fr years and years, Dr. Spock was THE authority, and now "studies have shown...".

Ignore it all. Really. Listen to your own heart, and do what you see as best for your child. When you start looking at all the "studies", you surrender your child and yourself to them. Gareth will become the property of the world soon enough. Treasure this time with him--when he is all yours.

If you have a good pediatrician whom you trust to tell you the truth and not sugar-coat things, then you have your best ally. The two of you can then determine if there is a problem that needs intervention. You know your son better than any study expert ever will. In his case, YOU are the expert. Relax, and let the study people do their thing. Your choice can be to ignore them for the living little person in front of you, every single day, rather than the paper "study babies". I think that things will be just fine. Trust your instincts, and trust your pediatrician. Everything else will fall into place.

Sending "granny" hugs!

Date: 2009-02-12 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violet-moon25.livejournal.com
Hmmm, they wopuld probably never all agree but at least the rest of us could raise our kids in peace.

Date: 2009-02-07 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louiseroho.livejournal.com
Will never crawled. He did this tripod thing where he would balance on one hand and scoot his butt forward. Will has had physical therapy on and off to bring him up to speed on the things he doesn't match his peers on.

*hugs*

Date: 2009-02-09 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
I remember Will's tripod thing! Watching him flip and scoot and flip and scoot all over the cabin at FSG is one of my most vivid memories of him.

It was great to get to know him a little more at Philcon. You already know this, but you have a really awesome kid.

Please don't 'Overworry"

Date: 2009-02-07 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doverider.livejournal.com
You have a beautiful, bright, active, and expressive little boy. Enjoy him for what and who he is. Don't let the 'normal police' get you down.

Had another thought...

Date: 2009-02-07 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasminewind.livejournal.com
I have a friend who's son has a dyslexia type brain (I'd be interested to talk to you more about your sister's uniqueness and see how it compares and what she's learned from it) and she has been doing infant reflex exercises w/her son (he's about 9 yo) and pressure sensing massage (feet & hands) and has noticed an improvement in his ability to try to read. Apparently a potential distinction of dyslexic brains is that the don't develop the same reflex inhibitors non-dyslexic brains develop. I find these sorts of therapies fascinating because they are not addressing "how to teach a dyslexic to read" rather they are acknowledging that a dyslexic has a distinct brain wiring.

Oh also, what [livejournal.com profile] dovrider said is correct, don't worry overmuch! :-)

Re: Had another thought...

Date: 2009-02-07 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracyandrook.livejournal.com
can you post a couple of links so I can read more about this?

Re: Had another thought...

Date: 2009-02-07 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasminewind.livejournal.com
This is not my research, rather that of a friend of mine. I only know this stuff from afterschool conversations on the playground. I can ask her if she has easy available info but being the mom of 3 kids and trying to homeschool her highest needs child while going to school herself doesn't leave her a lot of time. But I will ask!

Re: Had another thought...

Date: 2009-02-09 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
Yes, do please ask!

Pru has been telling me for years that I have some of the weird non-reading-related symptoms of dyslexia, but since they're all minor and don't interfere with my life, I keep forgetting what they are. Apparently my handwriting is classic dyslexic-person handwriting.

The bit about reflex inhibition is especially intriguing. My Bubinsky reflex didn't go away until I was in my mid-teens, and that's a reflex that usually disappears in infancy. Made a lot of neurologists scratch their heads...and scratch the soles of my feet, too, to see which way my big toe would curl. Sometimes it went backwards. Nobody ever figured out why.

When my sister and several of our cousins who were never great readers used to do jigsaw puzzles together, they'd find it was easier to do them picture-side-down. They found the images more distracting than helpful. The rest of us would boggle to watch them. A civilization made up entirely of dyslexic-brained people would be a rich, deep, functional, and fascinating civilization, but it would look really different from the one we live in.

well I've been trying not to go in to this

Date: 2009-02-07 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracyandrook.livejournal.com
because you are so concerned about many things already. But it may help to give you some background on the assessors. I don't know how much you know already. They probably use the Denver II assessment frame. I have a copy of the chart in my peds textbook, but I can't find it on the internet, because it's copyrighted. Children's areas of function are divided into 4 themes: Gross motor, language, fine motor, and personal-social. The Denver includes an allowance for "has had no opportunity to try this," e.g "Brushes own teeth with help".

I have given the test to about 4 different kids. I found that people always developed some areas faster than others. Something "chooses" what areas to work on first. Maybe, it occurs to me, it's influenced by environmental demand. If you had a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, the child might work on his gross motor first in order to learn what you were doing.

If you want to, remind me to bring the peds text and you can see the Denver chart. Do keep in mind the point that these are statistics and Gareth is an individual, and these scores are not supposed to tell you that you are a bad parent or that he is a defective child.

Re: well I've been trying not to go in to this

Date: 2009-02-09 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
I would love to see the chart. This kind of thing fascinates me even when things are going swimmingly.

The assessment team people were actually very friendly, and they gave us pages and pages of notes and suggestions, which are helping. It's just that I'd been hoping they would say everything was peachy.

Environmental demand sounds plausible to me.

Date: 2009-02-07 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happy-dr-friend.livejournal.com
Critter also didn't crawl until very, very late. Her path toward complete mobility went sitting (if helped into a sitting position), walking with help (if also helped to stand), walking independently (if helped to stand), sitting up herself, standing up herself, and then finally crawling. The experts I'd read were all reassuring on the "some kids don't crawl" question so it never occurred to me to even worry about that, but no one had ever heard of a kid who could walk before she could pull herself into a standing position before. I just kind of thought "go figure." At five, she's got a good vocabulary and is reading easy books but does have awful handwriting. If that helps any in figuring out what's up with G.

Date: 2009-02-09 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
That's exactly the same sequence of skills Gareth's had. Today was First Crawling Day. We have one of those fabric tunnels, and Dan has been putting G's lovey on the far side of it for motivation. It finally worked.

Date: 2009-02-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happy-dr-friend.livejournal.com
Since G is following Critter's course so far, a caution about what might be ahead. When Critter first started writing, many of her letters were backwards, upside down, or otherwise unconventional. I asked several of her teachers if they thought that this was dyslexia and they all essentially said, no, it's being 4 years old. Indeed, in kindergarten, her writing has gotten much better. She's also learning to read without any obvious problems. (Apart from some "only child syndrome": her parents have been known to try to do too much for her...) So don't panic G's first letters are a little topsy turvy. Getting an opinion on it couldn't hurt (if it happens), but don't scare him.

Glad Gareth's gotten the crawling down, in any case.

Date: 2009-02-08 04:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] citabria
Just to reassure you -- I never crawled, either.

Date: 2009-02-08 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violet-moon25.livejournal.com
I know I am not the first one to say this but kids develop unevenly and normal is overrated. A lot of kids that are developing normally in most areas and may be a little ahead in some can be a little behind in others. Mostly it evens out in the long run at least for the important things (and if it stays a problem for a while you can still get him some extra help if he needs it). A., who is a very different child from yours, was ahead in learning gross motor skills but only about average on learning language. I was worried when he was about 18-20 months old and said some words but didn't really talk a lot (even though he understood a lot). I decided to worry after he turned 2 but then just before he had his birthday he started talking a lot more and now babbles away all the time. He still doesn't articulate every letter sound well...but I am not going to worry about it quite yet.

Your hardwood floors are pretty hard so I can see the down side of crawling on them (I wouldn't want to either). If it helps you can order baby knee pads from a catalog.

A. is also learning the concept of numbers and can recognize numbers up to 3. Grandma asked him today "What comes after 3?" and we decided in our house it is usually a Time Out! (It has been chaos around here lately.)

It is hard to picture you being a jerk but everyone puts their foot in their mouth occasionally. I wouldn't worry too much about that either.

Date: 2009-02-09 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
A's motor coordination is pretty impressive. The day I went up with casserole and cookies, David got down on hands and knees and let A climb onto his back. There A stood like a circus acrobat on horseback, perfectly balanced and grinning.

I read a little bit about speech impediments when my brother-in-law got worried about my eldest niece's missing phonemes. Back in the day, I used to have a speech impediment, so I was wondering whether K might have the same one I had. It turns out several of English's common phonemes are almost impossible for a normal, healthy child to produce consistently until age 8. The book convinced me that K, who's only 3, was doing just fine. She just had a case of being 3. I, on the other hand, had a big problem distinguishing L and R until I was nearly 10. The book was called something like Teach Me How to Say It Right. Found it at the library--a slim, quick read, written for parents and laypeople.

Date: 2009-02-10 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violet-moon25.livejournal.com
BTW, the cookies and cassarole were delicious. I'm still munching on the cookies. I'm just sorry I missed the visit.

I am not going to stress over poor pronounciation just yet. If he were school age I might start to worry. Since he isn't even 3 until next week I can worry about something else for a while--like increasing breast milk supply for the new baby.

I learned to tell left from right by a mark on my right hand (it has faded now). Years later in college someone told me they learned by the the left hand making an L when you extend the thumb and index finger. Of course that only helps a kid who is old enough to know their letters.

Date: 2009-02-10 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
Until she got her first out-of-college job, Pru kept track of left vs. right by writing L and R on the toes of her canvas shoes. Having to wear grown-up lady shoes to work was the end of her ability to tell one side from the other.
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my experience: don't panic

Date: 2009-02-10 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi S,
Owen is at a daycare center that has wonderful caregivers who are nearly all higher educated in child development. Because they're so good at encouraging the wee ones, this has led to some surprises for us when some other kid knows the alphabet 9 months before Owen. We keep feeling like he's in catch-up mode.
Then one day we're reading _Curious George Goes To The Movies_ and he says "George likes popcorn. Owie likes popcorn, too." I nearly fell out of my chair. Complex sentences, comparison, abstraction of identity, zow!
Seriously, I'm actually going grey from all the worrying I do about him. While I know we're only 9 months ahead of you, but seriously, it's an action-packed 9 months. 6 months ago we were freaking out because O was biting because he was moved into an older room too soon, and now it all looks so minor. (The grey has not ceased, though. Dammit.)
Don't panic. It all happens. Remember: it's easy to predict group behaviors with statistics and impossible to predict the individual. Honest.
PS love reading about your Gareth stuff.
Warmest, G

Re: my experience: don't panic

Date: 2009-02-11 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-pretentious.livejournal.com
My really big worry moments usually involve gravity, pointy things, large quantities of water, or microbes, but the lesser worries are so numerous and various, it's amazing I'm not that much grayer yet.

Complex sentences, comparison, abstraction of identity, zow!
Zow, indeed!

Looks like we'll be in Boston sometime this May or July (we're trying to fit it in around a very crowded June). We've gotta get these little guys together.
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